Showing posts with label hall of fame. Show all posts
Showing posts with label hall of fame. Show all posts

Friday, February 12, 2010

Tom Glavine's career in perspective

It seems like players are retiring left and right. Now, it's Tom Glavine's turn to go under the Hall-Of-Fame Microscope.

Tom Glavine finished his career as a member of the prestigious 300-win club and did so in an era of specialized bullpens, five men starting rotations and in an era that de-emphasized pitching.

Based on the similarity scores index, Glavine has a strong but not rock-solid case. Five of the similar pitchers (Early Wynn, Tom Seaver, Red Ruffing, Mickey Welch and Burleigh Grimes are Hall of Famers).

However, unlike Thomas and Delgado, the similar players not in can't be attributed to still being active, being retired for less than five years or being a poster child for steroid use. Three of the pitchers on the similar pitchers list (Tommy John, Jim Kaat and Jack Morris) have been on the outside looking in regarding Cooperstown and are likely to do so for the foreseeable future.

This indicates that there may be a case against induction but under further scrutiny it is a pretty weak one. Looking at his body of work, Glavine did more to stand out then the similar pitchers who failed to make the cut.

First of all, he was the only one out of these four to win 300 games. While games won by itself is not the best actual indicator (he was helped by playing on some very good Braves teams), getting past the 300-win landmark is something that will get the attention of voters who aren't sure one way or another.

Another thing helping his case was that his best was better than the best of the other pitchers. In addition to being the only one amongst these four pitchers to win a Cy Young Award (He did it twice) he also had 4 other seasons where he was in the top 3 for Cy Young Voting. In comparison, Tommy John finished second twice and Jack Morris finished third twice. In other words, he was in the top 3 more times than John, Kaat and Morris Combined.

Even the other area (ERA+) that could be used as an argument against shows Glavine above and beyond these pitchers that fell short. His ERA+ for his career was an excellent but lower than I expected 118 +. However, that number is artificially deflated by his age 21-24 years when he was still developing and had yet to peak as a player. Even with those 4 years factored in he outpaced John (110 ERA+), Kaat (107 ERA+) and Morris (105 ERA+) in this department.

Finally, in the 4 metrics to determine Hall-Of-Famers on Baseball-Reference, Glavine makes the cut in 3 of them, Morris only does it twice and Kaat/John make the cut once each.

During my analysis of the numbers, Glavine's resume still holds up impressively but it wasn't as sure of a thing that I thought it was going to be and nothing blew me away like Frank Thomas' 8 years of 174 OPS+ and above.

Still, under further scrutiny, Glavine's profile holds up very well. While wins my be an outdated metric, to pitch good enough to win 300 times is still impressive. Also the neighborhood that his career numbers live in is good enough for five Hall-Of-Famers and his resume stands out from the non Hall-Of Famers living in his neighborhood. Morris may be famous for beating the Braves in Game 7 of 1991 but Glavine looks to be more likely to be famous for getting into Cooperstown.




Thursday, February 11, 2010

Frank Thomas' career in context

From a player likely to retire (Delgado) to a player that actually retired (Frank Thomas). This means on thing to me, time to hit up his Baseball-Reference page to see if we can place any context on his chances of being enshrined in Cooperstown.

In regards to the similarity scores, him and Delgado both have 3 players on their list already in the Hall of Fame, (In Thomas' case, those three are Mickey Mantle, Willie McCovey and Jimmie Foxx). Like Delgado, many of the similar players not enshrined are either active or haven't been retired long enough (Bagwell, Ramirez, Thome, Sheffield, Delgado, etc.)

Like Delgado, the fact that home runs were inflated in the 90s hurts in that it lowers the impact of home run totals regardless of how clean or not clean the given power hitter was. In terms of total home runs, Thomas is tied for last but isn't that far behind (all 4 players hit between 521 and 536 career home runs).

In context of OPS+, Thomas is third out of 4:

Mantle 172 OPS+
Foxx 163 OPS+
Thomas 156 OPS+
McCovey 147 OPS+

One thing that supports Thomas' argument is that for two consecutive years (93-94) Thomas won himself back to back MVPs. Thomas is square in the middle of discussion here as the other similar players already in won between 1 and 3 MVPs.

When you extend it out to Top 10 MVP finishes, it becomes even clearer that Thomas was a very valuable player for a very long time. He finished in the top 10 for MVP voting 9 times. That ties him with Mantle and allows him to outpace McCovey and Foxx.

If you read enough of my writing, it's quickly obvious that OPS+ is one of my favorite stats to use to measure how good a player actually is. Thomas passes the OPS+ with FLYING colors. In his first 8 seasons his lowest OPS+ was 174. In his EIGHTH best season he still hit 74 percent better than a league average player. He was so dominant during this stretch, he even had a Super NES game named after him in the 1990s. If that don't spell dominance I don't know what else does.

In their entire careers, Mantle, McCovey and Foxx had between 4 and 8 seasons with an OPS+ of 174 or greater. None of these players had all of these seasons in one uber-long dominant stretch. It seems a bit unfair that this run of Frank Thomas was obscured by the inflated power numbers of the 1990s but for those first 8 years he was one of the most dominant players in the game, he was THE Big Hurt. To put icing on the cake, out of the 4 Hall of Fame metrics measured by Baseball-Reference, Thomas is measured as a likely Hall of Famer in 3 of them.

Unlike Delgado, there isn't much of a gray area for Thomas, his body of work (especially that 8-year stretch in the beginning) screams first ballot Hall of Famer to me.


Carlos Delgado's career in context

It looks like Carlos Delgado's career could be coming to an end soon. Considering that this hinges on whether he gets an adequate offer for the 2010 season, the likelihood of his career being done seems more likely than not.

With that in mind, i'm going to take a look at his career to see whether he or not he can reasonably expect to get into Cooperstown one day.

Placed into historical context, three of the top 10 hitters most similar to him (Willie Stargell, Willie McCovey and Duke Snider are in the hall of fame).

The seven similar players not enshrined either haven't retired or haven't been retired long enough (Thome, Giambi, Bagwell) and/or face long odds due to being associated with steroid use(Canseco, Juan Gonzales).

For hitters for the last couple decades, it depends on how the hall of fame voters react to hitters from the 1990s/2000s. In addition to the rampant steroid use of this time, Delgado happened to play in an era where home run totals were inflated across the board. The 473 career homers Delgado had while outstanding doesn't stand out in his era had it been if he had been playing in the same era as Stargell, McCovey and Snider.

Still, he has a case for serious consideration, but not necessarily enshrinement. He was still one of the better players of the era as he was in the top-10 for MVP voting 4 times. Even when you adjust for the seasons he played and inflated offensive numbers, he still stands out above most of his contemporaries as he had a career OPS+ of 138 including 4 seasons with an OPS + over 150. Still, this places slightly below the similar players OPS+ Career totals of the Hall of Famers with similar resumes:

Stargell 147 OPS+
McCovey 147 OPS+
Snider 140 OPS+

He places middle of the pack in Top-10 MVP finishes (Snider 6, Stargell 5, McCovey 2) and doesn't hold up as well in seasons with OPS+ > 150 (McCovey 11, Stargell 7, Snider 4.

What does this say about Delgado overall? He definitely seems like a bubble candidate that will determine which context voters are going to place the offensive totals for the last couple decades. In historical context, he falls just short of the Hall of Famers from past eras with similar numbers, he never approached the eye-popping power numbers of the Bonds, McGwire's and Sosa's of the world but at the same time hasn't been connected to steroid use as these aforementioned players have but still had outstanding numbers. My guess, he gets in eventually (but not on the first ballot) unless he somehow becomes a poster child for steroid use between now and then.




Sunday, July 26, 2009

What Rickey Henderson tells us about future HOF Voting

Now, time to give Ricky Henderson the same treatment:

Similar Players Already in:
Paul Molitor
Lou Brock
Joe Morgan
Robin Yount
Al Kaline

The similars not yet in are

Craig Biggio .281/.363/.433 111 OPS+ career

Looking at his numbers, they were a bit lower than I expected. However, he was one of the better players on the Astros for many seasons. He does have a case as his 7 all-star selections shows he was amongst the better players and he is above average on 2 of the 4 HOF monitor indexes......there's still time for people to make up their minds about him since he doesn't come up for voting until 2013

Eventual HOFer---just not on first ballot

Rusty Staub .279/.362/.431 124 OPS+

Played a bit before my time....don't know too much about his career...in the context of the pitcher friendly 60s his 292 career homers look good...had a couple seasons of 150 OPS+...but not enough to get into Cooperstown

Unlikely HOFer

Steve Finley .271/.332/.442 104 OPS+

Pretty average hitter much of his career......developed more pop in his bat in the late 90s(then again who didn't

Unlikely HOFer

Tim Raines .294/.365/.425 123 OPS+

Not the most powerful hitter...but outside of Henderson one of those players whose impact was substantially increased by his pitchers having to worry about him stealing a base

Should be a HOFer but probably won't get in for a while

Vada Pinson .286/.327/.442 110 OPS+

Solid Player, Solid Career....nothing overly noteworthy though

Unlikely HOFer

Like Jim Rice, there's not too much of a glimpse one can get into who will eventually get into the Hall of Fame based on his induction. In Henderson's case....it's more due to him being a unique talent and player (especially on the base paths) than Rice's case where there was a compelling argument for and against his induction...........